[PISTOL PETE 73]

i would take 06/07 back in a heartbeat...why? simple,it worked.

i was a bit harsh on 0 sim,i liked it more on 06 if im honest.

infact im pretty sure 06 was a better game than 07.

pete

[PoKerrrr]

PISTOL PETE 73, on 13 July 2011 - 11:50 AM, said:

i would take 06/07 back in a heartbeat...why? simple,it worked.

i was a bit harsh on 0 sim,i liked it more on 06 if im honest.

infact im pretty sure 06 was a better game than 07.

pete

Yes GP06 this is a nice game

look Funny Race online GP07 on Youtube,With Demon Hayato me & co.
Le Mans - Catalunia - Donington

http://www.youtube.c...nel_video_title

[HeY jOe]

15000+ views just to see who was the best in a classic series. I doubt a tenth would care less about who's the best of the current series

[PISTOL PETE 73]

HeY jOe, on 14 September 2011 - 09:16 AM, said:

15000+ views just to see who was the best in a classic series. I doubt a tenth would care less about who's the best of the current series

as for moto i guess your right.

but i think bike racers today are of a higher standard. more games have been played and we all have learned so much more now...

get these lads on sbk...they wouldnt stand a chance,which is why some save face and stay away blaming the games shortcommings when in reality there are none,its the closest thing to an actual bike ever seen on xbox.

pete

This post has been edited by PISTOL PETE 73: 14 September 2011 - 09:29 AM

[HeY jOe]

PISTOL PETE 73, on 14 September 2011 - 09:29 AM, said:

HeY jOe, on 14 September 2011 - 09:16 AM, said:

15000+ views just to see who was the best in a classic series. I doubt a tenth would care less about who's the best of the current series

as for moto i guess your right.

but i think bike racers today are of a higher standard. more games have been played and we all have learned so much more now...

get these lads on sbk...they wouldnt stand a chance,which is why some save face and stay away blaming the games shortcommings when in reality there are none,its the closest thing to an actual bike ever seen on xbox.

pete

Nah, it's the craic that's missin' Pete and that won't come back till they sort out the short-comings of both game series. Not worth me going into detail as you are well aware of stuff. Thing is both series don't appeal to a passing player, they don't really appeal to those that have an interest either considering the numbers if truth be told, somethings amiss for sure........just to add they both have a selection of bikes & tracks to race on, what more could an audience possibly want? obviously something more.

[PISTOL PETE 73]

HeY jOe, on 14 September 2011 - 10:37 AM, said:

PISTOL PETE 73, on 14 September 2011 - 09:29 AM, said:

HeY jOe, on 14 September 2011 - 09:16 AM, said:

15000+ views just to see who was the best in a classic series. I doubt a tenth would care less about who's the best of the current series

as for moto i guess your right.

but i think bike racers today are of a higher standard. more games have been played and we all have learned so much more now...

get these lads on sbk...they wouldnt stand a chance,which is why some save face and stay away blaming the games shortcommings when in reality there are none,its the closest thing to an actual bike ever seen on xbox.

pete

Nah, it's the craic that's missin' Pete and that won't come back till they sort out the short-comings of both game series. Not worth me going into detail as you are well aware of stuff. Thing is both series don't appeal to a passing player, they don't really appeal to those that have an interest either considering the numbers if truth be told, somethings amiss for sure........just to add they both have a selection of bikes & tracks to race on, what more could an audience possibly want? obviously something more.

can a bike game ever appeal to a passing player?,im not sure it can,its not a car, you can fall off,lines become very important...kids cant pick up a bike game like a car game and just play,i know i see it in my own home most nights.what actually happens is they crash at every corner and after 5 mins it is utter rubbish.so no i dont think its a game for passers by.fact is early bike games were a given.

sbk is full of bike fans,true fans that follow the sport week in week out,maybe its true for moto now but back in the day that wasnt the case.so people wont play untill more play (for the crack)chicken....egg....well i can assure you sbk is full of good racing and giggles with like minded bike fans.i love it and there are plenty of rooms...

when i first played sbk 2011 i thought it was toned down from x but thats not the case,they have tried to simulate a bike,not make a difficult game.11 has so much more feel in the bike than x.the front end is fantastic how it reacts and changes with setups.dont judge it by x,it a mile away.

pete

This post has been edited by PISTOL PETE 73: 14 September 2011 - 12:22 PM

[HeY jOe]

PISTOL PETE 73, on 14 September 2011 - 12:04 PM, said:

can a bike game ever appeal to a passing player?

Well MGP2 certainly did Pete, my question would be, why was that?


Personally I reckon it's got a great deal to do with the shortcomings of either the series as a GAME. ie I play MGP10/11 and constantly moan about stuff that should be in there that was present in MGP2, if anything they should have expanded on that core content not watered it down. I was about to start compiling yet another list of the things that would add the "craic" but MGP2's the easiest way to explain.


Trouty once stated something along the lines that MGP2's functions/options couldn't have been the sole reason for it's success but I reckon it may have been the case, it covered all bases. I've discussed SBK 2011 with Trouty online and he's brought up a number of things that would annoy me from the off, none of 'em to do with the handlin'. I could again expand by making a list but you'll know. I am not going on about Arcade, absolutely detested EXTREME, it's not about that.

Say someone else takes on MGP, they'll attempt new handling & graphics but sorry fact is if they don't consider the fact it's a GAME then they'll end up in the same place.

Over the years I've stated "functionality/options" almost as much as Malcolm Tucker utters the F word

[PISTOL PETE 73]

HeY jOe, on 14 September 2011 - 01:36 PM, said:

PISTOL PETE 73, on 14 September 2011 - 12:04 PM, said:

can a bike game ever appeal to a passing player?

Well MGP2 certainly did Pete, my question would be, why was that?


Personally I reckon it's got a great deal to do with the shortcomings of either the series as a GAME. ie I play MGP10/11 and constantly moan about stuff that should be in there that was present in MGP2, if anything they should have expanded on that core content not watered it down. I was about to start compiling yet another list of the things that would add the "craic" but MGP2's the easiest way to explain.


Trouty once stated something along the lines that MGP2's functions/options couldn't have been the sole reason for it's success but I reckon it may have been the case, it covered all bases. I've discussed SBK 2011 with Trouty online and he's brought up a number of things that would annoy me from the off, none of 'em to do with the handlin'. I could again expand by making a list but you'll know. I am not going on about Arcade, absolutely detested EXTREME, it's not about that.

Say someone else takes on MGP, they'll attempt new handling & graphics but sorry fact is if they don't consider the fact it's a GAME then they'll end up in the same place.

Over the years I've stated "functionality/options" almost as much as Malcolm Tucker utters the F word

i cannot say for myself as im a fan,but if not moto 1/2 what other choices did people have,not as much as today im sure.
the more i play and the more it gets talked about the more i come to the conclusion that moto 2 had a great fanbase as nobody had anything else to play.i dont like to say it but thats what im thinking now.

i cannot believe for the life of me so many bike fans are out there and not racing sbk,i dont believe it.i cant play sbk and believe that,i just cant.its a great bike game with a great feel of a bike.

its all about racing isnt it,options are a godsend but gameplay is most important above all else and sbk has it.

sbk as i said before at first felt dumbed down but thats not the case,they have made a game feel like a bike before making it a "hard" game.which it isnt it really is a simple little game i cant understand how some are so slow.

eitherway sbk is worth every penny for me.a godsend in a world not helped by capcom who have at least showed me what a horrid nasty little bunch of idiots they really are.

waiting for a download??? i got some rubber wallpaper for you here

pete

[PISTOL PETE 73]

i would like to say at this point i am in no way knocking moto gp 2,i love the game and think all online bike fans would benefit from its return.

i also think we have strayed from the topic slightly...oopps

pete

This post has been edited by PISTOL PETE 73: 14 September 2011 - 03:17 PM

[HeY jOe]

PISTOL PETE 73, on 14 September 2011 - 03:00 PM, said:

i cannot say for myself as im a fan,but if not moto 1/2 what other choices did people have,not as much as today im sure.
the more i play and the more it gets talked about the more i come to the conclusion that moto 2 had a great fanbase as nobody had anything else to play.i dont like to say it but thats what im thinking now.

i cannot believe for the life of me so many bike fans are out there and not racing sbk,i dont believe it.i cant play sbk and believe that,i just cant.its a great bike game with a great feel of a bike.

its all about racing isnt it,options are a godsend but gameplay is most important above all else and sbk has it.

Before I go on a tad, believe me this isn't an argument (which I know you'll appreciate), just a thought.

I also thought it was down to choice but there's no way that many people would have played if the game hadn't "functioned" Pete, there's more to it than that. The second part of your reply is interesting "It's all about the racing", I've heard that before but no it's far more than just the racing that makes a game a success. Can't delve through my posts but I once said it doesn't matter if you have the best handling in the world it'll mean diddly squat without certain options.

I think MGP2 options really enhanced the whole community aspect of the game and I reckon the latest outings have kinda forgot that part.

Hard to explain but I think you'll know what I'm on about, in fact during the SBK diaries they one day decided to have a race between the developers and stated they were surprised how much fun it was to compete against another human player? that told me they hadn't any history of such.

Glad you're enjoying SBK but it doesn't surprise me many aren't playin', likewise I enjoy MGP but again it doesn't surprise me a lot aren't playin' , both have aspects that need addressing for success and it isn't solely down to racing, you can have a crackin' race on either of 'em.

Just to add there was a Motocross game that was released after MGP2, forget the name but it was great fun, if I remember right quite a few regulars started playing. The game died within a month or so, reason being? it lacked the same options, just race then race then race.

MGP2 gave you a RANK, it also allowed you to make a statement via the colour/livery, that may have been as an individual or team allegiance, one reason clans did YouTube tributes and when you watch 'em you've gotta smile.If you were to paste the same options on either of the new games they'd benefit from it, it's kinda as if the soul has been ripped from 'em, you've gotta have soul

[gamma498]

SBK 11 is a good racing game but it is definitely no GP2, GP2 gave you a rush to play, it could be entertaining blatting round the track on your own, which increased tenfold once you got in a good room. You don't get that with SBK as if you aren't battling in a room there's just no sense of speed, it feels like racing in slow motion! I could never spend hours time trialing SBK like I did with GP2 or GP07 as it's boring.Bikes are FAAAASSSSSSTTTTTTTT! but not on SBK!
Most other aspects I like, handling, braking, even the functionality is pretty good but it never makes me want to play it like the old climax series did. I've lost count the amount of times in the last few weeks that I've turned my xbox on, looked for a room in SBK, found none so turned it back off again. In the old days I'd have been tryin stuff out in time trial, can't be bothered in that, hell, I don't even know half the tracks and I still can't be arsed time trialling! I think that tells you something's lacking don't you?

[HeY jOe]

gamma498, on 14 September 2011 - 05:09 PM, said:

, found none so turned it back off again. In the old days I'd have been tryin stuff out in time trial, can't be bothered in that, hell, I don't even know half the tracks and I still can't be arsed time trialling! I think that tells you something's lacking don't you?

What though Gamma? any idea, you race for real so to hear you say that is interestin'

[PISTOL PETE 73]

i find it hard to believe you find no rooms on sbk gamma and the feeling of speed comes as you play and you adapt to the game...if im not of sane mind and play moto gp now the speed feels kind of stupid.

you dont want to play because you have no fun..but do you dont know the lads racing!! if you want fun i suggest playing the game with a mic and talk to people...like on say....moto gp2 and if more did this then more would have a reason to time trail...to beat friends.

the early moto's were where it all started.friends were made and that first buzz started,will it happen again...proberbly not.have you ever found another game to emulate this? no i doubt it.

if sbk had the numbers it would be amazing but because it hasnt it isnt..damn chicken and egg again!!!

joe im not going to say sbk is a finished product.there is so much more it could be.but its a world away from that garbage calling itself moto gp and untill something amazing happens it always will be.

pete

[HeY jOe]

PISTOL PETE 73, on 14 September 2011 - 06:48 PM, said:

damn chicken and egg again!!!

Chicken & the Egg? yep both developers have laid a couple

They just don't get what Shawn Hargreaves got, straight out the blocks 8yrs ago. SBK Milestone diaries showed that, likewise talking to Monumental guys the same conclusion.
Still a few gems in here from 2003-4 http://www.talula.demon.co.uk/

Someone really needs to take a long hard look at history if they intend to succeed.

As I don't play shooters, are there kinda "Ground Rules" most developers adhere to online?

ps I've asked Mush to move these posts to the MGP2 discussion, as you say Pistol we kinda got sidetracked, me especially...sorry qUiK sHiFt, if ya readin', good topic mate, well viewed

[gamma498]

HeY jOe, on 14 September 2011 - 05:24 PM, said:

gamma498, on 14 September 2011 - 05:09 PM, said:

, found none so turned it back off again. In the old days I'd have been tryin stuff out in time trial, can't be bothered in that, hell, I don't even know half the tracks and I still can't be arsed time trialling! I think that tells you something's lacking don't you?

What though Gamma? any idea, you race for real so to hear you say that is interestin'

I've never raced Joe, just done the odd trackday. I don't don't know what it is that fails to grab me, I think it's mainly the lack of sense of speed. Like I said, get online in a good room and it's a great game but other than that I don't play it, which is a bit sad.

[gamma498]

PISTOL PETE 73, on 14 September 2011 - 06:48 PM, said:

i find it hard to believe you find no rooms on sbk gamma and the feeling of speed comes as you play and you adapt to the game...if im not of sane mind and play moto gp now the speed feels kind of stupid.

you dont want to play because you have no fun..but do you dont know the lads racing!! if you want fun i suggest playing the game with a mic and talk to people...like on say....moto gp2 and if more did this then more would have a reason to time trail...to beat friends.
pete

It's probably the time that I usually get on live Pete, I don't generally get on til after 11p.m. when the missus has gone to bed but that wasn't my point. When I've got into rooms, I've really enjoyed it as there's great racing but without that it doesn't drag me in, doesn't make me want to play Like GP2/ GP07 did. It just feels slow. GP10/11 does seem really fast..........but it should! I've ridden bikes all my life and a GSXRthou is just mental to ride, they feel like 'warp factor 7, Mr Zulu!', race bikes should be something else again but in SBK it doesn't seem like it and I think that's what is missing. Thrashin a GSXRthou feels more like being in a video game that playing SBK does and that ain't right!

[PISTOL PETE 73]

honestly you dont feel slow when you play sbk alone with no crazy moto speed...and when its good it feels fast.moto seems stupid for me,i like to see my bike and how it reacts,to feel it...to race others close on it,sbk is i suppose a bit more techy than moto gp has ever been,its just goes that little bit deaper,not in game options but bike options.its a bit more than 10/10 hard hard etc and the new style moto,yet still allows good close racing from the off.

11pm is a good time,im normally on untill 2am with a few italians,some spanish,a few french,an irish lad,some uk lads and a cockney(cant have it all) sorry fizzy.
a proplem you may be having is that you dont see full rooms so we will be racing but you wont see us,refresh a few times,people always loose there temper and quit,that never changes.

hope to race you soon.

pete

This post has been edited by PISTOL PETE 73: 16 September 2011 - 11:47 AM

[PoKerrrr]

Hi all
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[PISTOL PETE 73]

PoKerrrr, on 09 December 2012 - 05:16 PM, said:

Hi all
We want to organize a league motogp07 /> , you can answer this by ok
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sorry mate but theres more chance of a jimmy saville comeback.but sbk has a comp starting in january and thats an actual bike game!!

merry xmas,pete.

[BiG Pk]

Anyone still here?