[trouty65]

I have to agree Rock Alan has done a fantastic job with the interview and the videos. From what i understand Alan and all the VVV guys all game to a very high level especially when it comes to four wheels.
On reflection i must admit this version of SBK is looking very good. Both graphically and frame rate wise but can anyone tell me what they have upped the frame rate to ?
I watched and listened both videos carefully but did not hear him mention what frame rate they will use ?

I think the fact that they have made the bike easier to ride more aggressively in the corners will certainly make it more appealing to me.

Also the fact that the wet weather conditions will actually affect the bikes handling is a good thing along with the fact that you can lean the bike over more in the wet to improve gameplay as opposed to making it more like real life and just too difficult. For me personally this just takes the fun out of the game and makes it too hard. At the end of the day i like a challenge but there still has to be a reward for all your practice and i think this is where Motogp gets the balance right.

The I most annoying thing i could not get my head around in SBK X is the rear trail braking. I believe you had to be able to do this to be competitive ? I guess i just could not do that combination of buttons as opposed to pressing the "Tuck" button on GP.

I know Allan probably did not get enough practise on the new version to be "smooth" but i have marked some points in both videos that show what appears to me a "Central Pivot" point when the rear breaks loose ?

1st video: 3:08 and 8:22 . video 2: 42 ( the central pivot and front end alsmost going the other way) ?. He mentions better frame rate at 1:53 and at 3:00 again 2nd vid 3:42 pivoting in wet . But it looks better.at 4:49

The way the bike pivots could for sure be down to his lack of time with the game and maybe with a bit more practice it would be eliminated. I like riding on full sim but to me that kind of tank slapper wobble on sbk-x was over - kill. The bikes in Gp seem to have a more progressive slide that is easier to control but in no way detracts from making the game easy to be fast.

I am definitely looking forward to this game now as i have bought all the sbk games and this will be no different I guess im just nuts about bike games

One thing is for sure we all have a lot to look forward to.

Be great to hear some views from you sbk x guys regarding the slide comparison as i really do think that if you make a sim too hard it just puts people off ?

Thanks

Paul

[steadiworkz]

Does anybody else think they shouldn't bother with wet weather conditions at all and concentrate on more important things people actually want ?

[xx CURVE xx]

if they'd add more controller feedback and the ability to customize your bike ( at least paint color ) the game would own.

[PISTOL PETE 73]

curve your not right in the head,infact im so angry you put that rubbish im of online to verbaly abuse you in a mo.

painting a bike wont stop cheating or being kicked for being too fast or superlag,it wont let people timetrail alone so you dont have to rely on some noob that quits after 2 mins but hey thats not a problem, curve has a pokerdot bike!!!!!!!!!! oh the world is a better place now.

im very dissapointed in you.

pete.

[Bank of Dank]

Curve doesn't give a hoot about time trials chief. He wants to race online with others and that is it so he likes the way these bikes sound and ride only that they need more feedback which they do and that he wants to differentiate the look of his bike from everyone else. He is also correct with his post as i feel the same way. They do need to fix cutting corners tho without much penalty.

[xx CURVE xx]

i like ham




















and GT5 is great

[PISTOL PETE 73]

Bank of Dank, on 05 February 2011 - 05:54 PM, said:

Curve doesn't give a hoot about time trials chief. He wants to race online with others and that is it so he likes the way these bikes sound and ride only that they need more feedback which they do and that he wants to differentiate the look of his bike from everyone else. He is also correct with his post as i feel the same way. They do need to fix cutting corners tho without much penalty.

ah, so he is correct because you feel the same way.?? nope,your the minority mate,fix it first.
thats what players want.
pete.

[thelogger]

Controller feedback should definately be improved but PAINT ?????, NO,NO,NO,NO,NO !.
SBK has always tried to be more authentic especially compared to the Moto GP games & I for one like that, why the hell would anyone feel that having the ability to create some hideous colour scheme (a'la Gp 09/10) would make the game "own" ?, dicing with someone who's riding a bike that looks like a two wheeled vomit will not make the racing any more enjoyable.
Maybe if your under 12 years old this may be nice (i know my 7 year old would love it) but I'd just prefer a fully functioning "racer" as opposed to a paint editor that makes a Ducati look like it was designed by Polly Pocket !.
As for Time Trail, whats wrong with it ?, don't real riders use closed circuits to develop their machines,etc ? - in my opinion the guys like Pete who are dedicated enough to put the time in using this type of mode tend to have a slight edge due to practice & refinement, which is fair enough in my book !.
Even though i don't time trial much it does have a real use, and that is ruined because to use it online means rooms packed with slow,crying little babies who quit after 1 lap beacuse you've passed them twice already, why should people who want to practice in private not be allowed to set fast laps on a leader board ?.

Bank, whilst i agree about the "corner cutting" your post is ( & I mean no offence here !) utter (Rhymes with Pollocks) .

This post has been edited by thelogger: 07 February 2011 - 07:31 PM

[xx CURVE xx]

i just dont like seeing a grid full of the exact same looking bike. its lame

[steadiworkz]

yes yes yes theirs loads needs fixing with both motogp and sbx, the fact is though that sbx consistently gets more right IMHO than motogp everytime.
I find short circuit racing utter tosh compared to road and street racing and I can't believe games companies still continue to ignore it !
Road racing is the rock 'n' roll or racing and its madness not to develop a decent game around it. If where stuck with boring short track racing then at least lets make it more fun and realistic. Speed wobbles when you put the bike down after a wheelie if the wheel isn't in line should be must !
Wheelies should happen no matter what unless you are over the front of the bike on a 800-1000cc bike.
When you crash their should be proper rag doll physics on the rider !!!! real crash's are incredible but in most games suck utter balls.
Other (inexcusable) issues like stupid menue settings and race options pale in significance to be honest but what ever floats your boats I guess

This post has been edited by steadiworkz: 07 February 2011 - 07:49 PM

[thelogger]

xx CURVE xx, on 07 February 2011 - 07:33 PM, said:

i just dont like seeing a grid full of the exact same looking bike. its lame

You are right there !, SBK 09 became the Honda CBR cup ( Ryo Kiyonari !!) so a paint editor may not have been too bad as long as it remained authentic, i think it's down to the developers to make all the different bike user friendly. In all honesty i think SBK X gets it pretty much right with it's superbikes, the supersports class can be packed with far too many Hondas online but it's still fairly close in general & the Kawazakis,Triumphs,etc can win, for me a paint editor is all for nothing if you still have a one manufacturer grid - what we need is total diversity out there, Hondas,Yams,Dukes,etc all capable of winning & as i said SBK X is pretty near to achieving this, hopefully 2011 will nail it.

[thelogger]

steadiworkz, on 07 February 2011 - 07:47 PM, said:

When you crash their should be proper rag doll physics on the rider !!!! real crash's are incredible but in most games suck utter balls.

Some Motorstorm style rag dolls would make people want to crash !

[PISTOL PETE 73]

steadiworkz, on 07 February 2011 - 07:47 PM, said:

yes yes yes theirs loads needs fixing with both motogp and sbx, the fact is though that sbx consistently gets more right IMHO than motogp everytime.
I find short circuit racing utter tosh compared to road and street racing and I can't believe games companies still continue to ignore it !
Road racing is the rock 'n' roll or racing and its madness not to develop a decent game around it. If where stuck with boring short track racing then at least lets make it more fun and realistic. Speed wobbles when you put the bike down after a wheelie if the wheel isn't in line should be must !
Wheelies should happen no matter what unless you are over the front of the bike on a 800-1000cc bike.
When you crash their should be proper rag doll physics on the rider !!!! real crash's are incredible but in most games suck utter balls.
Other (inexcusable) issues like stupid menue settings and race options pale in significance to be honest but what ever floats your boats I guess

dony know if you know but im trying to find out whats happening with jesterinteractive and tt racer,i have been emailing there head office for months now with no reply but i do know this.the lads that developed the tt racers have left jesterinteractive,this doesnt bode well for my tt dream on xbox.
why dont devs see the big picture,why dont jester want our dosh,ill give them mine now,idont care i want that game on xbox and ill hound them till the day i die if we dont get it.

put the nortwest 200 in,perfect...some paint for curve,everyone is happy.

if a jester employee sees this........
THROW US A BONE LADS IM NOT GETTING ANY YOUNGER !!!!!!!!
wishing on a star
pete.

[steadiworkz]

Pete i'm pretty sure the company went bust or something, my mate on the island who works for north one (who film the TT) asked them about it and they said the rumors where they had gone bust.
Lets just fecking do it ourselfs ! I'm sure we could find plenty of support for it and to be honest I wouldn't mind devoting my life to seeing it happen haha !

[PISTOL PETE 73]

steadiworkz, on 08 February 2011 - 07:29 PM, said:

Pete i'm pretty sure the company went bust or something, my mate on the island who works for north one (who film the TT) asked them about it and they said the rumors where they had gone bust.
Lets just fecking do it ourselfs ! I'm sure we could find plenty of support for it and to be honest I wouldn't mind devoting my life to seeing it happen haha !

they are based in wales now after a takeover about 5 years ago.they are still there but like i said most of them have moved on.
they have done some work with codemasters but not on a gaming level.i emailed codemasters telling them to talk to jester about helping them and making new tt racer just out of desperation......no reply.to busy giving t'shirts away to dirt 3 fans i expect.

who sells/owns the rights to the track...any ideas?? do you need them being public roads ???

you got me thinking now.
pete.

[Bank of Dank]

Ummm ok so saying that curve is correct makes me the Antichrist apparently. You are all dumb.

Baiscally logger you just called curve utter whatever as my post is a direct reflection of him and a mention about corner cutting. You should apologize.

End of .

This post has been edited by Bank of Dank: 10 February 2011 - 09:50 AM

[PISTOL PETE 73]

Bank of Dank, on 10 February 2011 - 09:45 AM, said:

Ummm ok so saying that curve is correct makes me the Antichrist apparently. You are all dumb.

Baiscally logger you just called curve utter whatever as my post is a direct reflection of him and a mention about corner cutting. You should apologize.

End of .

i dont think your the antichrist dank.

as for the dumb bit..ex chemical engineer currently living of a bit fat redundancy check so ill take that remark with a pinch of salt.

im not saying paint is a bad idea.i would mod a bike if given the chance but there are other aspects that i and many others feel are far more important.
single player time attack to be added to leaderboards.
cutting.
portimao needs a complete makeover its cut city.
flags should be accompanied with a time penalty.
setting times through pit lane.
feedback/vibration.
more from bikes not made by honda!!!!
a qualifying tyre,more from the meds and hard tyres.everyone runs softs always.

im not saying this is the answer.its just what most talk about when we play.

to be honest when you look at it they should be able do do all the above and have paint for curve too.

now lets all hold hands and be nice.we all have the same goals....sweet bike games.

pete.

ps...the blooming kick button is for idiots who run backwards and abusive nerks.not because you win alot and take some fools points.im kicked regular..it sucks. as much as i wanted it in 06 i hate it now...its got to go.

This post has been edited by PISTOL PETE 73: 10 February 2011 - 01:39 PM

[thelogger]

I explained my point about controller feedback & paint editors in my earlier post, nothing i posted was directed towards insulting Curve & if you read my other posts you'd see that i understood where Curve was coming from on the subject of too many grids being made up of identical bikes, i just had the point of view that different paint ain't quite as good as a full grid of different manufacturers machines that all stand a chance of winning races but also all sport their correct liveries.

Your post is not a direct reflection as (unless you have a telepathic link & know what Curve's thinking) you started the post with "Curve doesn't give a hoot about time trials chief." - I don't see that in any of Curves posts in this thread, so I didn't call Curve anything !.
Agreeing with someone is fine - putting words in their mouths isn't, are you the antichrist ?, No !. Are others in here dumb because they don't agree with you ?, No !.

So as i said previously, I agree with YOU on corner cutting but I do not agree with YOU on the subject of Timetrail.

PS,
Pete, It's a damn shame there isn't another way round the kick button issue, it's needed for the bell ends who race backwards around the track but I can't count the times that a guy called Elwyie has booted me (or got his lobby running mate to boot me) even before the racing has started.
Why ?, because in the first few weeks of release i used to kick his ass on a regular basis so he tried to batter me into the pit wall during a race at Losail - i dabbed the front brake, he missed me & took himself out , ever since then he either boots me or tries to cause an accident.
If I race him & he can't boot me out i love it, as he'll nearly always crash because he's transfixed with trying to beat me . Guys like him shouldn't be allowed to use the kick feature !, it's very frustrating .

This post has been edited by thelogger: 10 February 2011 - 02:16 PM

[Bank of Dank]

I wish Curve would step in because I'm quite sure I know Curve on this subject better than you. Curve doesn't give a hoot about time trials chief. That's not putting words in his mouth, that's because I do know Curve, but thanks for acting like Curve and I aren't friends and haven't known each other online for 7 or so years.

[xx CURVE xx]

i hate time trials

ive been busy...

but to make clear the game needs ALL that stuff you guys talked about, even the time trials stuff .. i just wanted to add, a bit of color to the grid.. thats all.










now back to GT5

This post has been edited by xx CURVE xx: 12 February 2011 - 04:08 AM