[Webbiker]

I am just hopelessly slow with this latest game. I have never been a frequent top 3 finisher in SBK, but this is getting quite frustrating now. Not that I'm not enjoying racing guys at the same pace, but it seems I'm not getting any better. I'm particularly slow with SBK bikes and for some odd reason I can keep a better pace with the 600s.

You probably guessed where this is going... I'm requesting setups AND any tips how to shave off some seconds. Pretty please with sugar on top...

How do you guys brake for and ride through turns?
frontbrake -> turn & rearbrake
frontbrake & rearbrake -> turn
frontbrake -> turn & frontbrake
or something else?

I haven't paid much attention to this before as what ever I was doing seemed to work to a degree. Now I'm all over the place and I also seem to get very different results on different bikes when trying different approaches to braking & cornering. I could swear some bikes seem to brake better with only the front brake, but maybe it's in my head.

This post has been edited by Webbiker: 21 June 2012 - 11:10 AM

[BIG CAROLINA23]

Webbiker, on 21 June 2012 - 11:09 AM, said:

I am just hopelessly slow with this latest game. I have never been a frequent top 3 finisher in SBK, but this is getting quite frustrating now. Not that I'm not enjoying racing guys at the same pace, but it seems I'm not getting any better. I'm particularly slow with SBK bikes and for some odd reason I can keep a better pace with the 600s.

You probably guessed where this is going... I'm requesting setups AND any tips how to shave off some seconds. Pretty please with sugar on top...

How do you guys brake for and ride through turns?
frontbrake -> turn & rearbrake
frontbrake & rearbrake -> turn
frontbrake -> turn & frontbrake
or something else?

I haven't paid much attention to this before as what ever I was doing seemed to work to a degree. Now I'm all over the place and I also seem to get very different results on different bikes when trying different approaches to braking & cornering. I could swear some bikes seem to brake better with only the front brake, but maybe it's in my head.

I am glad you started this thread. I am determined to get better at SBK and bike games in general. I have always liked bike games but never put the time in to become a near the top of the leaderboard rider. With this game I find my self putting hours in just turning laps instead of just trying to race.

But my question is the same as yours:

How do you guys brake for and ride through turns?
frontbrake -> turn & rearbrake
frontbrake & rearbrake -> turn
frontbrake -> turn & frontbrake

The answer to some of these will help me tons I think. Do you guys also lean all the way to the left or right when turning or do you lean slightly sometimes?

[thelogger]

I'm not the quickest but not the slowest either, I'm also getting used to full sim so here's how I do it for what it's worth.
Before I get to the corner I hit rear & front brake (in that order), rear is pretty much digital (either on or off) from what I can tell, while the front gives a lot more analogue control so a gentle and gradual application is needed, without the rear brake being used I find the bike will be more unstable and liable to cartwheel on its nose.
Getting your braking done before the corner is a must, although you can use a very small amount of front + rear brake to help you get deep into a corner, rear brake will also help a little during the turn. the angle you approach the the corner at + the amount of turning your doing seems to allow you to get the bike sideways into the corners aswell.
A gentle and gradual application of all the controls is needed, without the rear brake being used I find the bike will be more unstable and liable to cartwheel on its nose.
Use the rear in small amounts to help keep the bike on line during the turn and then start feeding in the throttle at the apex, in some corners I also find that I can use the throttle to control the bikes line (Philip island turn 2 among others) along with a bit of rear brake.

[PISTOL PETE 73]

seems about right to me.

rear brake first,always.

as for setting up a bike.many things can be done,im still not there yet but this is what i see...

a low preload offers grip over overall speed,as with springs,rebound and compression dampers,finding a way of getting the best out of them will take months i think.in general a high preload will be quicker but will also become more unstable under heavy braking.too offset this affect springs can be lowerd..eg,3/4 max preload = 3/4 min spring.etc etc equal oppersite offsets.this tends to work for me as i can find a balance between them...you could say why not leave them standard then and on some tracks i do,but not on most.many people run low preload and springs due to the secure feeling from the bike....but i look for the fastest ride then try holding on.
with compression and rebound dampers max everything is generally quick enough to overcome any gains by going for ultimate grip..on kyalalmi.donny,val..the teeny tracks a standard to 3/4 right compression is what i prefer...max rebound always.

after doing all this tot you then need to see how it reacts with chain,gears,steering and brakes....

steering to the left is better in/right is better out..left feels rougher and gets more bite out of kerbs,right seems to float over kerbs and not get the bite/grip but can have greater exit speed on the fast tracks as the bike seems to stand up better.left decreases braking/right increases you braking strenght.

chain left turns in better off throttle/right comes out better on it.


all the above also affect each other in many ways...so you see the combinations can go on and on.you really need to see what you like.most of my friends dont like what i like.i like a hard bike that bites into the track,its a more u nforgiving ride but if you get it right its a winner.most people like a softer bike but over a lap its a little slower.

anyway,im no teacher and now my head hurts.

pete

This post has been edited by PISTOL PETE 73: 24 June 2012 - 04:58 PM

[Webbiker]

Thanks guys. I really appreciate the explanation & insight regarding the setups. I'll get to work tomorrow and test the rear brake first approach along with the low preload settings.

[sakellarios]

you also have to lern which curb can u use without falling.
i use soft compoun at any track except brno,silverstone.
my gears start from 6.000 and adjast the rest and i use ratio of 3.720-3.744 at all traks with chain at 900 (brna,silver at 1.1)
steering full right
and after some races i manage to start making personal best at all tracks.keep working and u will find the corect settings for u

[thelogger]

There isn't a big gap between hitting the rear brake and squeezing the front brake on, it should almost be done as one.

[PISTOL PETE 73]

phillip island..1.23.93 full sim online..

7000 6000 2210 26000 14000 12000 20000 40000...24000 3800...5904 4176 3240 2712 2328 1968 @3696...0700..2000 2000

preload was 2 2 but the grip and sloppyness didnt seem as quick as 7 6 but this span too much...lowering compression is a nice way of steeling grip if your generally happy...but dont get to hastey it costs tenths and the tenths add up!!

pete

ps...that was manual...its 1.23.82 in single player with auto....aggggrrrhhhhh....thats just how its made im affraid.

This post has been edited by PISTOL PETE 73: 24 June 2012 - 05:22 PM

[PISTOL PETE 73]

heres a little tip....if your doing qually then race...unless you load a setup for the race the game will always automatically put medium tyres on your bike...

and when i had the legit no1 at aragon...1.38.4 before the pits n stuff came along i did it with a medium on the rear!! the slip grip from the medium was better than the soft firm grip.

pete

[BIG CAROLINA23]

Thanks for all the tips fellas. Last night while doing a 50% race I had that ahh haa moment and things just started to click. Now I just have to become consistent with my new found revelations

This post has been edited by BIG CAROLINA23: 26 June 2012 - 03:08 PM

[PISTOL PETE 73]

some more things i know...

in qually,lets say a 10min session. your first lap will have more grip than untill the last 3/4 mins.why? i assume its because we are on new tyres,or its a glitch.but after your first lap the track fades away then comes back as it darkens and grips up...my conclusion is that making a setup here for online is almost impossible.online i am a mess sometimes as my setups feel horrid,most just dont work.i have my fave crash spots too..aproaching the first lefthander at nurberg im garanteed 100% to go down...it doesnt matter what i do i feel its written into the disc!! only on the last lap do things fall into place but by then its usually over.

saying that the phil island setup aint that bad online but its in the minority.

pete

[PISTOL PETE 73]

PISTOL PETE 73, on 29 June 2012 - 03:36 PM, said:

some more things i know...

in qually,lets say a 10min session. your first lap will have more grip than untill the last 3/4 mins.why? i assume its because we are on new tyres,or its a glitch.but after your first lap the track fades away then comes back as it darkens and grips up...my conclusion is that making a setup here for online is almost impossible.online i am a mess sometimes as my setups feel horrid,most just dont work.i have my fave crash spots too..aproaching the first lefthander at nurberg im garanteed 100% to go down...it doesnt matter what i do i feel its written into the disc!! only on the last lap do things fall into place but by then its usually over.

saying that the phil island setup aint that bad online but its in the minority.

pete

this seems to be becoming a large problem for me..

setting bikes up offline then running the setup online results in the following...when the grip arrives and the bike feels good its either the last lap of the race or in time attack its the last min.

brno single player 1.46.4 online 1.46.9
valencia single player 1.25.4 online 1.26.2
kyalami single player 1.25.7 online 1.26.9
saltlake single player 1.36.6 online 1.37.9

it goes on and on...the track is always changing online.it seems impossible to set a bike up unless you choose engineer setups which i just cant do as i want my own.im starting to feel like im wasting my time..

not impressed at all.

pete.

This post has been edited by PISTOL PETE 73: 02 July 2012 - 02:00 PM

[Burmisebadman]

I find myself doing this into all corners brake using rear 1st then apply front as needed while braking I try to keep the bike upright as long as I need before leaning into the corner

once I reach the corner entry I'm off the front brakes , I then point the bike just past the appex of the corner and drive the bike with most of the weight now transfered to the back wheel to get maximum drive to the next corner

its the old point a squirt method but I find the smoother braking to squirting is the quicker the laps

[gamma498]

This game has the most annoying, unpredictable handling of any game I've ever played, if real WSB bikes were like this the races would be carnage! Not impressed!

[trouty65]

gamma498, on 03 October 2012 - 08:51 AM, said:

This game has the most annoying, unpredictable handling of any game I've ever played, if real WSB bikes were like this the races would be carnage! Not impressed!

Still got yer copy of Motogp 10/11 Nick ?

[gamma498]

yep, it's bein used as a coaster just so it's some use, which is probably where this will end up! Long live '07!

[trouty65]

gamma498, on 11 October 2012 - 08:38 AM, said:

yep, it's bein used as a coaster just so it's some use, which is probably where this will end up! Long live '07!

Yeah not many people left on GP just the usual which aint surprising as i have discovered it is such a hard game to play to a good standard !

Takes lots and lots of practice and as there aint much else out there at the mo' except SBK and that ain't doing it for me at the mo' ! What choice do we have until something new comes along???
Man them guys on Moto are so .... (naughty word alert) Quick! Same with the hardcore SBk guys i guess.
Glad we got summat' to scratch that itch tho'

[PISTOL PETE 73]

wow sbk talk.....kind of.

i cant lie i get frustrated,we all have our own reasons for what we do or dont like.

and my current gripes are...

its soooo bloody hard to set a bike up better than an engineer on sbk gen.

why do bike games now have so poor brakes.more so on moto than sbk but the point is you cannot attack into a corner! you can roll past someone,but not attack them as with thq games.(ok you can on sbk med sim but its fan base is smaller than jimmy saville's.(too soon?) and yeah you can outbrake the noobs but that noob will muck up with no brakes and hit you right in the ass!!

feedback,what the hell happened to feedback!! i think this was the top gripe on sbk 5 years running,shows they listen....i miss this so much.

drafting through people....er no,thats just not right,on any game.i dont need or want this noob assist.especially on sbk where for some crazy reason it pulls you in more on the brakes.....as you overshoot the corner again!!!

16 people online(sbk)...16!!.....its 2012!

why,(on sbk anyway)wont people host? why sit waiting for someone else...THATS MY JOB!!!


but all in all i just cant stop playing sbk,it may be a million miles from a real bike,but its a million miles closer than any other game on xbox...

have fun

pete.

[PISTOL PETE 73]

well well well...its been a while but im still bang into sbk people and i think ive finally sorted myself with setups....yay

2011 rsv is the no1 bike..other rsv's just dont match it.
all yams feel as good as each other.
2009 honda is the best of the rest.....

people are playing/loving sbk at the mo like myself.we all talk now....its amazing how things have changed in recent months.we even have an aussie who gets up at 6am to play,now thats dedication!!

sbk is an xmas bargin people.but make no mistake....this is not a 50p arcade funzone...this is sbk...this is men only,there are no screaming kids here!!

this game is deep!! trying to set bikes up takes......well........months!! ok i know you can choose an engineers race or qually setup which are really quick,but given time and effort advances can be made.and thats a great thing right? it breads life from the game...always learning more each race.knowing it all after a week is no fun!

the track evo is fantastic..braking distance gets shorter as the track grips up.you feel the difference and notice subtle changes,also changes in the bike too...and if set up wrong(by this i mean setting the bike up so the rear does too much work) the bike fades at the end with tyre wear.(even tho its turned off)(not with a med rear tho!! but this is 3/4 of a second slower a lap.just so you know )

this is good stuff but im sure some will say they prefer a more arcade,less indepth game.but if you REALLY like bikes and like to get a bit INVOLVED,give this a go....no...give it more than.."a go"....as the games a tad more deeper than that but like i said....this isnt for kids or ten a penny arcaders!!!


anyway...enough knife digging haha.(as if all this tot got us anywhere,we have no future....whatever bike game you love.)

have an super new year everyone and a merry xmas if you can.......lol...have i got that in first??


pete.

[PISTOL PETE 73]

can i add that it is not me playing cod!!!

i want to make that clear!!!!

i dont play cod!!!

cod is for kids!!

i love battlefield!!!

i do not play cod!!!

you may see a pic of cod(top left) but i do not play cod!!!

ok ok i like a little zombie action

but thats it!!

pete